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This first-basic presumed Scandinavian Herring Gull (Larus argentatus argentatus) was photographed in mid-March 1999 in central England by Martin Reid. Some good gullers have stated that this could be a marinus; I feel that the extent and pattern of the body markings (too dense and not barred/wavy enough for typical marinus) and the shape/proportion of the wings ("hand" too long, "arm" too narrow for typical marinus) both favor argentatus - compare it to this typical marinus. If you can offer reasons why this is a marinus, I'd be pleased to hear from you: